Tuesday, December 2, 2025

Ehrman's History of the Notion of Heaven and Hell



Ehrman's History of the Notion of Heaven and Hell



I had recently been thinking about our varied beliefs about the afterlife and decided to finally read a book that had been given to me as a birthday gift a couple of years ago. The book was Bart Ehrman's Heaven and Hell: A History of the Afterlife. Now, being familiar with some of Bart's other works, I knew that the book would be interesting and well-researched, and I wasn't disappointed. I found much to agree with in the book and a few things to challenge. Some will call this a book review, but I prefer to think of it as an exploration of the parameters and evolution of Judeo-Christian thought regarding the afterlife.

First, I think that it is important to acknowledge that most humans (including those who are not Christian) believe in some kind of continued existence when this life is over. In terms of Western Culture, whether we're talking about Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Jews or Muslims, we find some notion of an afterlife among them all. Hence, it is not at all surprising that we find Christians have similar beliefs about what happens when our present life ends.

Second, as Ehrman points out, it is even more important that we acknowledge the fear which has motivated a great deal of our thinking on this subject. Frankly, it is very unsettling to contemplate the end of our existence - a time when we no longer exist in this world. Moreover, for most of us, it is downright terrifying to contemplate the prospect of being punished for our sins after this life is over. Conversely, even the prospect of being rewarded for our behavior in this life when it is over, can be the source of some anxiety and uncertainty. Will we be reunited with our loved ones? What will we be doing for eternity and will we enjoy it?

Indeed, for Christians, the certainty of death and our fear of it are what motivated Jesus of Nazareth to do what he did for us. In the anonymously written epistle to the Hebrews, we read: "Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. Only in this way could he set free all who have lived their lives as slaves to the fear of dying." (Hebrews 2:14-15, NLT) In other words, Christ's sacrifice was meant to address this near universal human fear of our own mortality.

Nevertheless, before we get into what the Judeo-Christian canon of Scripture has to say on the subject, it is essential that we trace the development of Gentile/pagan thought on the subject. Why? Because many of our "Christian" beliefs about the afterlife are rooted in that thinking, NOT in the Bible! Indeed, we will shortly demonstrate that our modern beliefs about the afterlife are more closely aligned with what folks like Plato and Virgil contemplated about them than they are with what Jesus and Paul believed and taught on the subject!

As he skillfully traced the evolution of human thinking on the afterlife, Ehrman wrote: "There were obvious problems with the concept of Hades imagined in the writings of Homer. If everyone has the same fate after death - whether noble or lowly, righteous or wicked, valiant or cowardly - then where is justice? Doesn't this life, in the end, make any sense? Isn't good behavior to be rewarded and evil punished? Won't I get a better hereafter than the brutal tyrant who torture and kills for his own sadistic pleasure, or even that obnoxious fellow who lives across the street?" In other words, these ancient philosophers were grappling with the same kinds of questions which haunt us.

Ehrman continued: "We have seen some hints of what we might call 'differentiated' afterlives even in Homer. Three particularly wicked sinners are punished forever, and a very few individual humans, or semi-humans, related to the gods are rewarded. This differentiation is far more pronounced in Virgil's Aeneid, which portrays fantastic rewards for the upright and horrible punishments for sinners. In the centuries between Homer and Virgil, more than any other thinker and writer, it was Plato who developed the notion of postmortem justice for both the virtuous and the wicked." It is in this very human reasoning that we find the embryo of our own modern notions about heaven and hell!

Like most Christians today, Plato believed that we humans have an immortal soul which departs from our physical bodies at death. For many of us, this "soul" represents our true self. This physical body is merely a temporary abode for the part of us that really makes us a sentient god-like being. Isn't that much at least Scriptural? Yes and no!

In the Old Testament, we read: "Yes, remember your Creator now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden bowl is broken. Don’t wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring and the pulley is broken at the well. For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:6-7, NLT) In the Gospel of John, we read that Christ became human and tabernacled among us (John 1:14). Likewise, Paul wrote: "For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. While we live in these earthly bodies, we groan and sigh, but it’s not that we want to die and get rid of these bodies that clothe us. Rather, we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life. God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit." (II Corinthians 5:1-5, NLT) Also, in the second epistle of Peter, we read: "Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover, I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease." (1:13-15, NKJV)

Thus, in the light of the above passages of Scripture, it is reasonable to conclude that the Bible teaches that humans have a physical body and a spiritual soul. Nevertheless, we still have to answer the question as to whether this spirit component/soul is inherently immortal. What does Scripture reveal about that?

First, we should note that ONLY God has true immortality (I Timothy 1:17, 6:16). The Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ are also God (Genesis 1:1-2, Job 33:4, Psalm 90:2, 104:30, 139:7, Matthew 28:19, John 1:1-3, 10:30, Hebrews 1:1-13, Revelation 1:8). Like the Father, they are NOT created entities. They have always existed and will always exist. In this respect, they are UNIQUE! EVERYTHING ELSE was/is created - both physical and spiritual! (Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 40:26, Ezekiel 28:13, 15, Ephesians 3:9, Colossians 1:16, and Revelation 4:11) Moreover, as Creator and the Omnipotent One, God is able to destroy or annihilate ANYTHING He has created!

"What about angels and the resurrected saints?" some will demand. Angels apparently have the ability to exist indefinitely. They are, after all, composed of spirit. However, as we have already demonstrated on this blog in previous posts, God has the ability to annihilate angels (including the former covering Cherub now known as Satan the Devil). Indeed, Scripture reveals that that is exactly what God has planned for him and his demons!

Remember, in the book of Isaiah, we read: "How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world. For you said to yourself, ‘I will ascend to heaven and set my throne above God’s stars. I will preside on the mountain of the gods far away in the north. I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.’ Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths." (Isaiah 14:12-15, NLT) Likewise, in Ezekiel, we read: "You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and exquisite in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Your clothing was adorned with every precious stone— red carnelian, pale-green peridot, white moonstone, blue-green beryl, onyx, green jasper, blue lapis lazuli, turquoise, and emerald—all beautifully crafted for you and set in the finest gold. They were given to you on the day you were created. I ordained and anointed you as the mighty angelic guardian. You had access to the holy mountain of God and walked among the stones of fire...You defiled your sanctuaries with your many sins and your dishonest trade. So, I brought fire out from within you, and it consumed you. I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All who knew you are appalled at your fate. You have come to a terrible end, and you will exist no more.” (Ezekiel 28:12-19, NLT) Finally, in the book of Revelation, we read: "Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet...Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire." (Revelation 20:10-14, NLT)

"But, what about the soul? Isn't that immortal?" The soul is a created thing. Hence, like the rest of creation, it is subject to annihilation by Almighty God! Still not convinced? Once upon a time, Jesus told his apostles: "Don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot touch your soul. Fear only God, who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matthew 10:28, NLT) On another occasion, Christ said that it was unwise for his followers to try to hang on to their physical lives, and he asked them: "What do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?" (Mark 8:36, NLT) According to your Savior, you can lose your soul! Paul wrote to the saints at Rome that "the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23, NLT) Hence, the soul is NOT immortal.

"How then do Christ's followers become immortal?" Paul explained it to the saints at Rome this way: "Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you." (Romans 8:10-11, NLT) This is completely consistent with what Christ told Nicodemus about being born again. He said: "I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life." (John 3:5-6, NLT) In other words, the Holy Spirit (God) makes our soul immortal, and that Divine spark is there the instant that we receive God's Spirit! Christ said: "I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life." (John 5:24, NLT)

Getting back to Ehrman, what is his thesis about Christ's views and teachings about the afterlife? He wrote: "Jesus did not teach that when a person died they would go to heaven or hell. He taught that the Day of Judgment was soon to come, when God would destroy all that is evil and raise the dead, to punish the wicked and reward the faithful by bringing them into his eternal, utopian kingdom." Now, that will come as a surprise to many of my more traditionally minded Christian friends; but it would probably also come as quite a shock to some of my Armstrongist friends. "Where does Lonnie stand on this issue?" I think that Ehrman is right and that most traditional Christians and Armstrongists do NOT really understand the nature of what Jesus believed and taught about the afterlife.

According to the Gospels, Jesus of Nazareth believed in and taught about the resurrection of the dead. In the Synoptic Gospels, there is a story about Christ being confronted by the Sadducees with a question about the concept of a resurrection (Matthew 22:23-30, Mark 12:18-25, Luke 20:27-36). After dealing with their challenge, all three gospel accounts inform us that Christ said something along these lines: "But now, as to whether there will be a resurrection of the dead—haven’t you ever read about this in the Scriptures? Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, God said, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ So, he is the God of the living, not the dead." (Matthew 22:31-32, Mark 12:26-27, Luke 20:37-38, NLT) Even so, there is probably no more succinct statement of Christ's beliefs about the resurrection than one found in the Gospel of John. We read there that Jesus said: "I assure you that the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when the dead will hear my voice—the voice of the Son of God. And those who listen will live. The Father has life in himself, and he has granted that same life-giving power to his Son. And he has given him authority to judge everyone because he is the Son of Man. Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son, and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment." (John 5:25-29, NLT)

Moreover, Paul believed and taught the very same thing! In the famous "Resurrection Chapter" of his letter to the saints at Corinth, we read: "But tell me this—since we preach that Christ rose from the dead, why are some of you saying there will be no resurrection of the dead? For if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless." (I Corinthians 15:12-14, NLT) Paul then reassured them that their face was well-placed and began to explain exactly how the resurrection will work. He wrote: "But in fact, Christ has been raised from the dead. He is the first of a great harvest of all who have died. So you see, just as death came into the world through a man, now the resurrection from the dead has begun through another man. Just as everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life. But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back." (I Corinthians 15:20-23, NLT)

Absolutely NOTHING about going to heaven or hell when we die! But where did this notion originate? It is too simplistic to say that we inherited it from Plato and Virgil (although they certainly popularized these notions). No, it is more accurate to say that these notions about punishments and rewards and going to heaven or hell upon death arose from our own flawed human reasoning and sense of justice. "God wouldn't allow us to lose consciousness or have to wait for hundreds or thousands of years after our death - would he?" Continuing with this line of thinking, "God wouldn't simply annihilate sinners and grant eternal life to the righteous, would he? How is that fair and just? Don't murderers, rapists, and child molesters deserve to be tormented? Don't the righteous deserve a paradise with lots of good food, drink, and companionship waiting on the other side? In other words, isn't the Christ - Paul formula just a little bit boring and too easy?" Of course, we could throw a few questions back in the other direction as well. Is it really fair to punish someone for all of eternity for sins spread out over a brief human lifespan?

Now, having said all of that, Scripture does seem to point to some kind of interim state between death and the resurrection. In the book of Ecclesiastes, we quoted a passage which also seems appropriate here: "Yes, remember your Creator now while you are young, before the silver cord of life snaps and the golden bowl is broken. Don’t wait until the water jar is smashed at the spring and the pulley is broken at the well. For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:6-7, NLT) Likewise, we know that Saul is said to have consulted the ghost of Samuel (I Samuel 28:7-25). We are also informed in the book of Revelation: "When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of all who had been martyred for the word of God and for being faithful in their testimony. They shouted to the Lord and said, 'O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you judge the people who belong to this world and avenge our blood for what they have done to us?' Then a white robe was given to each of them. And they were told to rest a little longer until the full number of their brothers and sisters—their fellow servants of Jesus who were to be martyred—had joined them." (Revelation 6:9-11, NLT) What does this interim state entail? As Scripture is silent on the subject, anything I offered here would be pure speculation.

What's the point of all of this? We can believe whatever we choose to believe. We can follow Dante into hell? We can visit the Elysian Fields. Imagination is a beautiful thing! But please, let's not fool ourselves that our fantasies are supported by Scripture or reflect the teachings of Christ and his apostles! Moreover, for those who profess to follow Christ, wouldn't it make sense to embrace what he believed and taught about the afterlife? Just asking.😊

 Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix

When Was Jesus, The Light of the World, Born?: Who knows...?


When Was Jesus Actually Born?

Scene of the birth of Jesus. Christmas nativity scene. 27926941 Stock Photo at Vecteezy


Christ’s birth is traditionally celebrated in the West on December 25th, but many Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas on January 7. Neither date is likely correct in light of several clues uncovered by historians and information in the Bible itself.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/wh

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When were the Disciples and Jesus Siblings Born?

Who knows...

https://www.ncregister.com/blog/when-were-the-apostles-born

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(Note: You knew I'd say this :)

When is the SUN, the Light of the World,  born?

 

December 25 when it first moves 1 degree North in its journey taking away the darkness of Winter. Then arriving at the Spring Equinox of "Easter" with days and nights being of equal length, daylight now growing longer with the Sun rising at exactly 90 degrees due East. 


 June 21st, the Sun, now having risen to place of "Most High" begins its six-month journey death marked by the next Winter Solstice to begin the cycle again.


Axial Tilt Reason for the Season Poster | Zazzle

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Christmas Bonus

 

Revelation 12 

"Behold a Virgin shall conceive and bring forth the Sun"

 

NIGHTFLIX-The Story of the Sun's Birth in the Northern Hemisphere where the story originated. 

 

"As Above, So Below"

The Woman and the Dragon

12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 

2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 

Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 

4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 

5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

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13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.

 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 1

5 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 

Story Origins...

Tonight in the "heavens" over our heads, Virgo, The Virgin (Upper Right) lies on her back, legs open about to give birth to the rising SUN.

Between her and Sunrise is Ophiuchus holding a large Serpent ready to devour the Child born of the Virgo.(Middle)

To the left of Ophiuchus is Aquila the Eagle ready to take the Woman out of harms way. 

Both the Constellations of Ophiuchus (The Serpent Bearer) and Serpens (The Serpent) are considered as one in mythologies and together cover ONE THIRD of the Southern Sky

Ophiuchus And Serpens

The Constellation Eridanus (The River), visible October thru December is just off screen and is a very large the amount of night sky that it covers. This is the flood the ancients saw as trying to sweep Virgo away.

Endgame V


Monday, December 1, 2025

Song of the Year! The Ballad of Sammy Kitchen's "Holy Bitchin"

 









“The Ballad of Sam Kitchen’s Holy Bitchin’”

There once was a fellow named Sammy Kitchen,
Whose hobby—no shock—was religious bitchin’.
He’d stomp ‘round town with prophetic flair,
Like a televangelist with too much hair.

Sam ranted of visions, omens, signs,
End-times charts, and crooked lines.
He’d shout, “REPENT!” at squirrels and crows,
And once tried baptizing a garden hose.

But his favorite pastime—his pride! his joy!—
Was choosing a target to spiritually annoy.
First came Aaron Dean, poor unsuspecting lad,
Who Sam declared “theologically bad!”

Sam raged so loud the rafters shook—
The town called it “Sam’s Religious Kook-A-Palooza Cook-Book.”
But when that feud finally cooled to mild,
Sam needed a new prophet to make reviled.

Enter Steve Meyers, fresh as dawn—
Sam latched on like a televangelist pawn.
“HERESY!” he bellowed, “BLASPHEMY TOO!”
Though no one knew what Steve did (or who).

He marched through town in sandals worn,
Preaching like an apocalyptic foghorn.
Folks whispered softly, “Bless his heart…
…his brain’s a few scriptures short of a chart.”

Still Sam keeps ranting, day and night,
Holy fury at full flight.
And the town just sighs, “Here we go again—
Sam’s rewriting Revelations with a ballpoint pen.”

So raise a toast to Sam the Loud,
The self-anointed prophet of the overly-proud,
Whose pious tantrums, wild and rich,
Make heaven chuckle at his holy bitch.


Did A Restored Church of God Minister Jump Ship To Join Samuel Kitchen To Help Restore The One True Church?



Oh, the incestuous merry-go-round of COG groups never ceases to amaze—boundaries and scruples are apparently just suggestions from a bygone era. Church-hopping has been the most malignant (and hilariously predictable) disease in Armstrongism for the past thirty years. Someone’s fragile ego gets a tiny bruise, or they peek over the fence and decide the other guy’s wilted lawn looks positively emerald, and poof—they’re off to the next splinter that will stroke their insecurities and tell them they’re special.

And now, with Dave Pack’s Restored Church of God continuing its endless prophetic face-plant parade, who can blame the poor RCG ministers for eyeing the exits? Some slink off to slightly less insane COGs or Messianic groups, but others—God love ’em—go full Darwin Award and hitch their wagon to the absolute loopiest lunatics still flying the Armstrong flag.

Enter stage left: Jonathan Dicen, late of the Restored Church of God and writer RCG's The Real Truth magazine, is now desperately shopping for relevance. And because nothing screams “I’ve still got it” like joining a “church” with a congregation you can count on two hands without using all fingers, he has apparently thrown in his lot with Samuel Kitchen’s so-called Worldwide Church of God “restoration.”

You can almost hear Samuel squealing with delight. Finally! An actual ordained minister (rumored to have been ordained in the original WCG, no less) wants to join his elite squad of six. At last, legitimate apostolic succession—straight from Jesus through Herbert Armstrong right down to… checks notes… Samuel Kitchen. This means Dicen can now ordain Samuel, which has been Samuel’s real holy grail all along. Because once you’ve got that magic ordination, the tithe checks become retroactively legitimate, church government is properly hierarchical, and the whole operation stops looking like a vanity project run out of someone’s spare bedroom.

Samuel Kitchen calls out his brother, Timothy for daring to critize Samuels latest escapade:


Brother,

Who said God left the order of His Church to human reasoning or personal zeal?

I feel I was inspired by God to establish “The Support Services of the Worldwide Church of God” to set aside funds for the church. So far it has only been my funds, and not a lot of funds since I just started it. 
 
All of the corporate entities the Church had under Mr Armstrong was to provide support services to the Church in order to fulfill its divine commission. 
 
I believe wholly that Jesus Christ is restoring the Worldwide Church of God. You know this. 
 
The authority of God’s Government is here. The laying on of hands is being taken care of. You need not to worry any further. 
 
I am in full support of the ministry of Jesus Christ. You know this. This is why I’ve continued as Dad did, to not sit with those who have departed and wish to no longer walk with the Worldwide Church of God. 
 
I’ve called for repentance of those who came from the Church, who were given false promises in these groups. 
 
Hebrews 5:4, refers to the position of High Priest which is Jesus Christ. For God gave the honor to Christ, as He gave the honor unto Aaron! 
 
I have not sought position Tim, but only to full obey God in all things. God is the one who adds a man to the ministry. 
 
The support structure of the work, is physical in nature. To better assist the church, I created “the support services of the Worldwide Church of God”. It was not a creation of a church.
Jesus Christ is Head of the Worldwide Church of God. 
 
Steve Meyers the head of the ministry in the UCG, says the apostle Herbert W Armstrong is not part of the foundation. This is a rejection of the capstone, which has set forth the apostle into the foundation. 
 
If a ministry leaves Christ, and the flock remains obeying God, do not think the candlestick moves away from the faithful. The Oregon conference held the last remaining members of the Church of God coming from the Sardis era. The ministry had rejected Christ. See Mr Armstrong’s autobiography. 
 
You forget it is God who places in the body whom HE WILLS and where HE WILLS. I am in support of the government of God. 
 
There is no usurping. 
 
And behold God is opening doors for me, even to have a true minister come forward to solve these complaints you have. 
 
If Christ appoints you have no say in the matter. 
 
I have always said from the beginning…you know this…that as an unordained member, I cannot receive tithes and offerings. 
 
Therefore when I created the “support services” in Iowa, it was for my own funding. But now, with authorization from an ordained minister whose family was part of the founding families in the Philippines, under Mr Armstrong, to receive tithes and offerings, and resolving issues concerning laying on of hands, do you not believe God yet? God is in control. Jesus Christ is head. 
 
I am an advocate for the restoration of the ministry. And for doing it God’s way. 
 
I am supporting the work. 
 
As for leadership, that’s in Christ’s hands. He decides who. 
 
I intend to remain where God assigns me. 
 
And do what he wants me to do. 
 
I wrote, the Holy Golden Oil is what ignites the candlestick. And I had only established something that was physical in nature, in order to help me support the Worldwide Church of God. It was Not the Church. 
 
I think you are confused. 
 
This man from the Philippines was not sought after. He came to me. Jesus Christ is still Head of His Church! And He is using WHOM HE WANTS not whom you approve of and decided Timothy. 
 
You ended up in the UCG, because you sought out handouts and help, during your time of trials and lack of financial standing. What happened in Arkansas is an example. You like to keep what happened close to your best, but God sees everything, and yes God gave you mercy. You received help. But it was through your wife’s past, family and friends, and your willingness to contact the UCG or COGWA for help. And once you found a “home group”, you built community, and got settled with home and job, and now feel God put you there. And maybe in your condition you needed all that. I’m reminded of Abraham and Lot. God blessed Lot even though he went towards Sodom. 
 
But Tim you have looked down on me for remaining. For waiting, and for laboring in all capacity I have been given by God. That’s not good. Is it? 
 
Now God is solving the problems Himself. The Government of God is here. The authority of God is here. Christ appoints whom He wants appointed. No one has a say in it. 
 
Remember that’s brother.
In Christ’s service,
Sam Kitchen

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Timothy Responds:

Worldwide Church of God Archives
Samuel William Kitchen you do know Jonathan Dicen is a contributing writer for the real truth. Restored Church of God Magazine, right? Where is his fruit? Anything I find about him, only had that connection, i do not find any connection to The Worldwide Church of God. You say Aaron Dean is God's final authority, being the final and last remaining minister who has the authority from the Advisory Council of Elders. Fruit. And someone else has given you authority. An alternative to what God showed you? You are doing what Dad warned us against. What you once knew. Now you wanted authority, you accepted the offer. You didn't wait. You waited but you had someone come to you with what you desired. Satan knew what you wanted. And this has furthered you away from waiting and going the direction God showed you through our father. Who introduced him to you? I have asked that myself. A man associated with Restored Church of God, claiming to be an ordained minister from Worldwide, who among you were associated with Restored? This is how Satan works. One log at a time. I pray you are brought by God to the place to see this as God sees it. I would ask you to think what would Dad say? 
You created a support system for one you acknowledge is the remaining man alive who holds God's authority as the Advisory counsel of Elders held. Yet you have submitted to another. God works through one man at a time. You either believe that or you don't. Unless you think that one man is yourself. And that would be grave. That way only leads to the end of this world and any part in it if chosen. Don't chose ot any further. Repent. Hold fast, endure. WAIT! To act prematurely as Dathan and Korah did in the wilderness, is something I don't want you to do. I'm praying for you. May God bring you out of those chains that blind you. 
In Christ's service, 

Timothy Kitchen